hello friends
i am a stranger here, plese guide me through.
Ganeshaya namha
take care,
JOE little.
Nabindu Mukerjee as otherwise known
i am a stranger here, plese guide me through.
Ganeshaya namha
take care,
JOE little.
Nabindu Mukerjee as otherwise known
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Fri, March 24, 2006 - 8:41 AMThis is silly, but I dont mind taking up the mantel. I have a Post Graduate Degree in Ancient Indian History, Culture and Religion. Ph.D in Ancient History.
You people think I can do the work.
This tribe does need revival and good shaking to wake up the member who seem to languishing in laziness.
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Fri, March 24, 2006 - 11:54 AMThis is great. I've been looking for an expert on Indian History to answer a question or tell me where I can find the answer. The question is: Who was Mahant at the Gorakhnath Temple in 1924? -
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Fri, March 24, 2006 - 11:48 PMTell me location of the Gorakhnaath Temple and i will try and give you the details, However let me tell a student of Ancient Indian History, does not study the particulars of the Mahant or the Pujaris.
If the Mahant has a place in Indian History, then it will be easy to pin him down because he would be mentioned in the pages of History.
Give me the details of the location I would be easier for me.
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Sat, March 25, 2006 - 12:18 AMGorakhpur, of course. -
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Sat, March 25, 2006 - 5:04 PMMaybe, what's your source? -
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Sat, March 25, 2006 - 7:18 PMjust an internet source... then I saw you on the same discussion after the fact, heh.
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Sat, March 25, 2006 - 9:16 PMYes, I have heard of it, but needs confirmation.
Is this temple mordern or ancient one. If its ancient then it will be easy for me to find ou.
you see, I work in the Archaeological Survey of India.
ok
JOE little.
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Sat, March 25, 2006 - 9:21 PMSure, the temple is still active. I don't believe the source that claims Raja Sundernath was Mahant in 1924, so it would be interesting to see if there is an actual record... -
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Sat, March 25, 2006 - 9:27 PMyes let see, what can I get to circulate.
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Sun, March 26, 2006 - 9:15 PMHello again, I did verify that a Sundernath was mahant in 1924 - but he died and did not go to meditate in a cave near Badrinath as the suspect story continued. Strike another claimed 700 year old yogi...
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Sat, March 25, 2006 - 9:14 PMok thanks i callup my quaintances and ask them give some time will you. please.
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Sun, March 26, 2006 - 9:16 PMI found the info in G.W. Briggs "Gorakhnath and the Kanphata Yogis." -
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Sun, March 26, 2006 - 11:06 PMFunny, that.
I was reading The Kapalikas And Kalamukhas today which came in the mail for me yesterday and that was one of the books in a footnote that I thought I ought to pick up...
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Mon, March 27, 2006 - 8:14 AMNamaste Sri Joe:
You are a valuable human resource on so many levels.
Swami Swarupananda Sivadass Giri -
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Mon, March 27, 2006 - 9:27 AMSwamiji Namahastute,
thank you, you are kind,
very few have considered me as useful. May be I am made of many faults.
JOE little.
Nabindu Mukerjee
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Mon, April 3, 2006 - 9:08 PMSwamiji, Pranaams,
May I put forth a question to seek an answer from you.
Why is Hinduism termed as Pagan? in the west, when Hinduism is one of the oldest religion of the world, may be dating back to the time when the first human appeard on this earth of ours.
The religion which started with worshipping various forms of Nature, developed into what we see today.
Islam and Christianity are nearly 2000 years old, not more, The Egyptian, Romans, and other nomad tribes worshipped the Nature, in the initial stages and later after the disappearance of the Egyptian, the Romans converted to Christianity. Why then our religion is called Pagan.
Please be kind enough to explain.
Thanking you.
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 6:50 AMNamaste:
I welcome you with great love and great respect.
I really don't have an answer for you. My guess is that any religion that appears polytheistic is termed pagan. Actually Hinduism is panentheistic and not pantheistic.
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 7:37 AMThank you Swamiji for your answer. you have provided me with an outsource to search the truth of this concept.
Nabindu.
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Tue, May 30, 2006 - 7:24 AMBeing a pagan and formerly a Christian/Recovering Catholic I can only give you an answer from my point of view. ALL religions have what they consider to be right and wrong (black or white, light or dark). Some religions it's more grey b/c the outcome is negative or positive for the practitioner not based on belief but upon action. And ofcourse that particular religion has actions that will bring good.
Anyway, the term pagan is applied to all religions not of the main three Judaism, Muslim, and Christianity (all though some still refer to Jews as pagans though I have no idea why??). This makes any polytheistic religion out-of-bounds and "WRONG". In this case, "wrong" equals evil, equals bad, etc.
It is interesting that it's ok to worship a god but not the creations of that god. But be that as it may, everyone is completely entitled to believe what they want. Realizing this respect and acceptance and understanding may flourish. Leaving behind the torrent of "my-god-is-better-than-yours" is such a nice burden to put down.
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Tue, May 30, 2006 - 2:36 PMNamaste JOE little:
Can you give me some historically sound information as to the advent of Siva in world chronology.
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Thu, June 1, 2006 - 7:13 AMSwami ji namahastute.
what is exactly you want to know. Siva has been omnipresent since the advent of man, and is still ever present. He is the creator, the destroyer and the preserver and all comprehending. If you can please specify the boundaries then I can tap the outsources and give you really what you require. Siva has been my subject of study in PhD, and my desertation "Siva through the ages, a iconographical study from the earliest to present times" is on the printing line.
World chronology is a new theme for me. I have limited myself to India. but in the wider prospective, I think Siva has been present in the Nomadic lives of early shettlers of the world when nature worship was in vogue till upto the advent of Christianity, when every other religion was declared as pagan culture.
thus I request to kindly state your boundaries.
With Pranams,
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Sat, June 3, 2006 - 7:13 AMNamaskar:
My interests are in tracing Siva back as one of the earliest proto-gods in the early paleolithic. Do we have iconic evidence of this. I've been having discussions with some of my Jewish friends and I don't have the cite to prove my contentions.
Your dissertation sounds great! Could you please send me a link to it.
Many blessings to you.
swarupananda
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Tue, June 6, 2006 - 6:13 AMIn India I have managed to find traces of Siva in the Rock Paintings dated to the Paleolithic days. As no proper written documentation have been known to exist of those days except for the rock paintings one has to conject the idea of existance of Shiva in those days. There is a definite conjecture of this in the form of animal sacrifice to appease Shiva, in the rock paintings, and I have found the records of this in the Rig Veda where Rudra the other name for Shiva was appeased by sacrificing an animal to calm his rudra roopa (ferious image). I am sorry I book is yet to come out of the printing press and I have as yet not put it up on a web page. Hence I shall not be able to provide any link to it. But I can always provide you with my views on the matter. Now that I know your extreme point of research, I will post the article to you, but I request you to grant me a few days grace period for this.
Pranams Swamiji.
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Wed, November 1, 2006 - 9:48 PMHello Joe ji!
Tell me, I had taken a yoga class at my university. The instructor says that Yoga started in the Himalayan mountains, and was later absorbed into the Vedas. His point, that it was developed seperately, earlier and without any connection to the early roots of Hinduism. It was later adapted and integrated. You are a historical person...what you say?
Also, in religious studies...Buddha was born in Nepal, according to my Nepalese friends, but in US universities, it is taught that he was born in India. My professor said, when I asked him to tell me why the differences of opinion, that is because borders have continually changed over time. But he says he stands firm that Buddha was born in India. Why are my Nepalese friends feeling so jilted?
Sorry this is not related to Ganesha...But Joe ji is so full of info on so many things!
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Wed, November 1, 2006 - 10:05 PMhi again joe :)
also, in other classes, the question was asked: "What is the difference between religion and myth?" when no one came up with a clear answer the professor said: "Religion is what I do. Myth is what they do." The idea that what one person believes is, in his mind, the right way. And to him, what everyone else does that is different from his beliefs is the wrong, or mislead way.
You ask why Hinduism is considered Pagan. I think the general feel is that paganistic religions go back to prehistory and also involves some aspect of nature worship. Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe even anything that is pre-Christianity or pre-Judiac, and outside of them. I have never heard of Islam or Judaism refered to as Pagan. Never. Celtic/Druid religions are usually a model for Pagan religions. -
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Fri, November 3, 2006 - 6:54 AMyou know, I sort of do remember Hinduism being refered to as pagan. I will elaborate when I return from school.
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